SSRI preparat, antidepressiva medel och lyckopiller är en bluff!

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SSRI preparat, ”antidepressiva” medel, ”lyckopiller” eller liknande droger fungerar inte!

Hej, se nedanstående fakta som inte ens den mest drogfixerade läkare, psykiatriker, psykolog eller person kan blunda för eller förklara bort.
Även om de skulle vilja!

Fixeringen vid tabletter , piller och droger är total hos vissa läkare och framförallt hos läkemedelsindustrin som tjänar enorma pengar på detta.

Vanliga människor görs till narkomaner av oansvariga läkare som lättvindigt skriver ut olika preparat! Lösningen och lyckan finns inte i olika tabletter eller droger!

Nya ”mirakeldroger” kommer hela tiden

Nu kommer försäljningen och aktiekurserna att sjunka i läkemedelsindustrin. Snälla gå inte på deras bluff att nya ”mirakeldroger” för bantning, nedstämdhet, depression etc. skall ersätta de gamla och att dessa nya droger är fullständigt ofarliga. Fullständigt ofarliga och fantastiska! Några år senare är även dessa bevisade att vara farliga för människor, vilket leder till att en ny ”mirakeldrog” kommer ut!

Dessa lögner har vi hört förut!

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”Din lycka finns inte i ett piller!” ”Pillren gör dig inte gladare”. Detta är rubriker som vi har kunnat läsa i tidningarna de senaste dagarna. Nedan finner du ännu mer information kring detta.

Det finns alternativa lösningar!

Det finns alternativa lösningar och vägar att gå – se artiklarna nedan – lycka och glädje är möjligt att känna och uppleva! Men det kräver kanske lite mer ansträngning och arbete än att svälja en pilla.

Unna dig själv att må bättre genom att säga nej till piller och tabletter för att istället ta itu med dina problem och svårigheter för att börja leva. Kanske du behöver ändra din kost eller få en rejäl kroppsmedicinsk läkarundersökning?

Det finns många människor som mår dåligt och har problem. Men ingen vinner på att göra problemet värre genom att börja ta verkningslösa och farliga droger.

Du kan alltid kontakta mig om du vill ha råd eller hjälp – nu även rådgivning per telefon.Kontakta mig här.

Välj inte drogernas väg – välj en väg som leder ut och uppåt även om den kan vara svårt ibland!

Kommentera gärna och rösta nederst!

Lycka till!
Peter

Vad är alternativet till dessa olika recept-utskrivna droger?

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När ditt barn har blivit stämplad som ADHD, ADD, DAMP eller ÖVERAKTIV!

Den stora faran med antidepressiva medel och andra psykdroger!

Droger, tabletter och piller löser verkligen inte allt!

Lyckopiller, sömnpiller, lugnande medel, antidepressiva, smärtstillande – är läkarna de nya langarna?

SSRI – Antidepressiva medel, lyckopiller

Strattera och självmord

SSRI – Antidepressiva medel, lyckopiller

Adhd / ADD

Rätt kost

Antidepressiva medel

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Läs nedan för att se att lösningen finns inte i olika receptutskrivna droger! Längst ner kan du hitta all utländsk press!

AFTONBLADET
Läkarnas pillerpsykos raderar vår livsglädje

AFTONBLADET
Din lycka finns inte i ett piller!
2008-02-27

AFTONBLADET
Lyckopiller fungerar inte
Aftonbladet – 2008-02-26 07:54
Det bäst säljande antidepressiva medlet på marknaden, Prozac, fungerar inte. Inte heller andra liknande preparat, hävdar en stor forskningsrapport som presenteras i dag, skriver The Independent. Studien visar att de patienter som använder antidepressiva blir bättre – men de som äter placebo blir precis lika mycket bättre som de som tar lyckopillerna.

AFTONBLADET
Pillren gör dig inte gladare
Aftonbladet – 2008-02-26 07:35
Pillren gör dig inte gladareUngefär lika verksamt som socker. Foto: mats fogeman LONDON. Det bäst säljande antidepressiva medlet på marknaden, Prozac, fungerar inte. Inte heller andra liknande preparat.

E24 Näringsliv
Lyckopiller är nu en miljardindustri
2008-02-26

EXPRESSEN
Lyckopillren gör dig inte gladare
(Expressen / GT / Kvällsposten) – 2008-02-26 11:33
Prozac är ett av de mest säljande läkemedlen. Men det antidepressiva medlet gör dig inte gladare. Det visar ny forskning som publiceras i dag.

DAGENS MEDICIN
Dålig effekt av antidepressiva
Dagens Medicin – 2008-02-26 10:46
En ny metaanalys visar att SSRI-preparat mot depression är långt ifrån så effektiva som många studier ger sken av. Läs tidigare artikelDet är forskare från USA, Storbritannien och Kanada som har analyserat resultaten av samtliga kliniska studier av SSRI-preparat.

DAGENS MEDICIN
Antidepressiva läkemedel inte så effektiva som de framställs
2008-02-19

SVERIGES RADIO
Antidepressiva seretoninpiller inte bättre än sockerpiller
SR Vetenskapsradion – 2008-02-26 09:12
Den typ av antidepressiva läkemedel som höjer seretoninhalten i kroppen ifrågasätts nu i en artikel i tidskriften Public Library of Science Medicine. 35 vetenskapliga studier granskades. Också sådana som aldrig publicerats, bara registrerats hos amerikanska läkemedelsverket.

YLE Internytt
Studie: Prozac fungerar kanske inte
2008-02-26 06:46
En ny studie visar att många anti-depressiva mediciner inte fungerar. Enligt en forskargrupp vid universitetet i Hull i England hjälper mediciner endast väldigt svårt deprimerade patienter. Företagen bakom populära antidepressiva mediciner som Prozac och Seroxat avvisar forskningen och säger …

Sveriges Television SVT
Antidepressiva medel inte så effektiva
2008-02-26 04:06
Antidepressiva läkemedel är förmodligen inte så effektiva som vetenskapliga studier ger sken av. Det visar en granskning av 35 vetenskapliga studier som genomförts av forskare i USA och som publiceras i Plos Medicine. Enligt forskarnas visar antidepressiva läkemedel av typen SSRI effekt bara på de …

Dagens Nyheter DN
Antidepressiv medicin i blåsväder
2008-02-26 02:06
Antidepressiv medicin i blåsväder Antidepressiva läkemedel är förmodligen inte alls så effektiva som vetenskapliga studier ger sken av. Resultat som är negativa för läkemedelsbolagen ser nämligen sällan offentlighetens ljus.

Utländsk press skriver ännu mer om bedrägeriet med dessa recept-utskrivna droger. Längst ner på sidan kan du kommentera och rösta!

Enews 2.0 Study finds antidepressants no better than sugar pills Toronto Star,  Canada – Feb 27, 2008 Irving Kirsch of the department of psychology at Hull University in England and colleagues in the US and Canada compared trial results for patients taking a … The Problem with Prozac Science Magazine (subscription) Antidepressants Only Benefit Certain Depressed Patients, Study … Science Daily (press release) Only Severely Depressed Benefit From Antidepressants: Study Washington Post Newsinferno.com – ABC Science Online Mood elevating drugs usually no good Online – International News Network, Pakistan – 4 hours ago For instance, "new generation" antidepressants like Prozac, prescribed for clinical depression, do not help the majority of morose people, according to a … Dog Flu Diet and Diseases Hope from a pill Economist, UK – Feb 28, 2008 Similar worries are now engulfing today's antidepressants, like Prozac and Paxil, which are among the most widely prescribed drugs in the world. … Antidepressants don't work? How depressing! Montreal Gazette Reporting On The Benefit Of Antidepressants , UK Medical News Today (press release) Antidepressants Not as Effective in Treating Depression Ms. Magazine AlterNet – Dog Flu Diet and Diseases Prozac, used by 40m people, does not work say scientists Guardian Unlimited, UK – Feb 25, 2008 The only exception is in the most severely depressed patients, according to the authors – Prof Irving Kirsch from the department of psychology at Hull … Talking Back To Prozac CBS News, NY – Feb 25, 2008 By Kevin Drum (Political Animal) TALKING BACK TO PROZAC….A new meta-study conducted by Irving Kirsch of Hull University and five American and Canadian … Army of therapists to push aside pills for depression Guardian Unlimited, UK – Feb 26, 2008 … to approve Prozac, Seroxat and other antidepressants of that class at the time of licensing, on the basis of the information gathered from the Kirsch … Antidepressant drugs do not work: study Gulf Times Leading article: The nation should kick this expensive drug habit Independent Forcing drug companies to publish negative trial results ’is … Times Online Independent Take care not to disparage antidepressants The Herald, UK – Feb 27, 2008 As the Scottish division of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, we have been interested in the media's reporting of Kirsch and Moncrieff's article … Prozac does not work in majority of depressed patients New Scientist (subscription) Depression drugs don’t work, finds data review Times Online, UK – Feb 26, 2008 … by Professor Kirsch examined the clinical trials submitted to gain licences for four commonly used SSRIs, including fluoxetine (better known as Prozac), … Professor defends anti-depressant study ABC Online, Australia – Feb 26, 2008 The study – the first to include unpublished evidence from the major drug companies – was co-authored by Professor Irving Kirsch from the Department of … Depression drugs 'little better than Sydney Morning Herald, Australia – Feb 26, 2008 … looked at Prozac, Seroxat, Effexor and Serzone and found the drugs were only better than a placebo for some people with severe depression. Kirsch's team … Drug funding agency looks at Prozac findings Radio New Zealand, New Zealand – Feb 26, 2008 Lead researcher Professor Irving Kirsch said: "The difference in improvement between patients taking placebos and patients taking anti-depressants is not … Prozac 'no better than placebos' The Press Association – Feb 25, 2008 A group of experts, led by Professor Irving Kirsch, from the Department of Psychology at the University of Hull, analysed 47 clinical trials using data … UK study raises doubts over antidepressant benefits Pharmaceutical Business Review – 15 hours ago … Eli Lilly's Prozac (fluoxetine). But major drugmakers GSK and Lily disagreed with the study results and defended their anti-depressant drugs. Mr. Kirsch … Prozac, The Medical Blanket People Pull Over Their Heads To Keep … Reiten Television KXMB Bismarck, ND – Feb 26, 2008 The only exception is in the most severely depressed patients, according to the authors – Prof Irving Kirsch from the department of psychology at Hull … Depressives and docs look at life after Prozac Daily News & Analysis, India – Feb 27, 2008 Now a new meta study, conducted by Irving Kirsch of Hull University, is threatening to topple Prozac from its happy perch. The researchers have concluded … Q and A: Do antidepressants work? Chemistry World, UK – Feb 26, 2008 A widely-reported analysis of clinical trial data for Prozac and related antidepressant drugs has claimed that the medicines work little better than … Taking Prozac for depression is mostly a waste of time, say scientists Scotsman, United Kingdom – Feb 25, 2008 Prof Kirsch said: "The difference in improvement between patients taking placebos and patients taking antidepressants is not very great. … The Sun Prozac pills 'do not work' The Sun, UK – Feb 25, 2008 Study leader Professor Irving Kirsch said: ”This raises serious issues surrounding drug licensing. ”The difference in improvement between patients taking … Study Casts Doubt on Anti-depressants Christian Broadcasting Network, VA – Feb 27, 2008 The drugs included fluoxetine (Prozac), venlafaxine (Efexor), and Paroxetine (Seroxat). All belong to a family of drugs known as Selective Serotonin … Pharmac urges caution over anti-depressant study Radio New Zealand, New Zealand – Feb 26, 2008 Chief Executive Judi Clements said she knows people for whom Prozac has been very effective, and others who have experienced no benefit. … NHS Choices Antidepressants "don't work" NHS Choices, UK – Feb 26, 2008 Professor Irving Kirsch, the study’s main author, emphasises in the newspaper reports that patients should not change their treatment without speaking to … Antidepressants 'no better than placebo Nature.com (subscription), UK – Feb 27, 2008 This class of drugs includes Prozac. The bold headline ’Antidepressants don’t work’ obviously caught the attention of the press (Google news search yields … GSK hits back over 'alarmist' antidepressant analysis Pharma Times (subscription) Think twice before you dump antidepressants MSNBC – Feb 26, 2008 Mayberg and others worried that a study released Tuesday by Irving Kirsch of the University of Hull in England might lead depressed patients to abruptly … Patients told to keep taking antidepressants Telegraph.co.uk eFluxMedia Depression Medication Not Much Better than Placebos eFluxMedia – Feb 26, 2008 Those who took real drugs such as Prozac from Eli Lilly, Paxil from GlaxoSmithKline and Zoloft from Pfizer felt only slightly better than those taking … A bitter pill Guardian Unlimited, UK – Feb 26, 2008 "Given these results", Professor Kirsch of Hull University says, "there seems little reason to prescribe antidepressant medication to any but the most … Depression drugs 'do not work' NEWS.com.au, Australia – Feb 26, 2008 By Adam Cresswell NEW-GENERATION antidepressants, including the "happy pill" Prozac, may be no better at relieving the symptoms of depression than a dummy … More depressing news … Now the happy pills don't work Daily Mail, UK – Feb 25, 2008 Around half of these were for Prozac, Seroxat, Efexor and other SSRIs. Researcher Professor Irving Kirsch said: "Given these data, there seems little … Antidepressants no better than placebo for most, study says Brisbane Times, Australia – Feb 26, 2008 The team leader, Irving Kirsch, of the University of Hull in Britain, said the analysis showed that although patients got better when they took the … Study doubts effectiveness of antidepressant drugs Guardian Unlimited, UK – Feb 25, 2008 Researchers led by Irving Kirsch of the University of Hull reviewed a series of studies, both published and unpublished, on four antidepressants, … Antidepressants Only Benefit The Severely Depressed, Study Medical News Today, UK – Feb 26, 2008 The meta-analytical study (ie one that systematically pools the results of other studies) is the work of Dr Irving Kirsch, from the University of Hull, … Antidepressants ineffective: study Sydney Morning Herald, Australia – Feb 26, 2008 The study, which used research on drugs, including Prozac, Efexor and Aropax, that drug firms had not previously released, has been applauded by experts for … Antidepressant drugs not effective for most patients — official study Forbes, NY – Feb 26, 2008 LONDON (Thomson Financial) – Prozac and other antidepressant drugs in the same class do not work according to a major review released today, … Antidepressants Hardly Help TIME – Feb 26, 2008 Researchers from the UK, US and Canada analyzed results for fluoxetine (better known by the brand name Prozac), venlafaxine (Effexor), nefazodone (Serzone) … CBC Montreal Antidepressants may only be useful for the severely depressed: study CBC Montreal, Canada – Feb 26, 2008 Researchers at the University of Hull in the UK analyzed drug efficacy data provided to the US Food and Drug Administration for Prozac (fluozetine), … Study casts doubt over anti-depressants ABC Online, Australia – Feb 26, 2008 LISA MILLAR: The report's author, Professor Irving Kirsch of the University of Hull, says his results suggest there's little reason to prescribe … The Sun When the drugs work The Sun, UK – Feb 27, 2008 They found that drugs including Prozac are no better than placebos for patients with mild to moderate depression. Professor Irving Kirsch, who led the study … Anti-depressants useful only for severely depressed, study finds Vancouver Sun,  Canada – Feb 26, 2008 The finding "means that depressed people can improve without chemical treatments," lead author Irving Kirsch said in a statement. … Anti-depressants 'no better than dummy pills' Telegraph.co.uk, United Kingdom – Feb 25, 2008 … including Prozac, Efexor and Seroxat. Prof Kirsch said patients taking the drugs did improve, but so did those on a placebo – showing most of the effect … dBTechno Study Shows Antidepressant Drugs Simply Don’t Work dBTechno, MA – Feb 25, 2008 … millions upon millions of people in the US and UK These include Prozac, Seroxat, Efexor, and others. Professor Irving Kirsch of the University of Hull, … Daily Mail What the drug giants WON'T tell you Daily Mail, UK – Feb 26, 2008 Clinical trial data has not always been open to independent researchers such as Professor Irving Kirsch, who conducted this latest study. … Clegg calls for more therapists ePolitix, UK – Feb 27, 2008 Nick Clegg has called for more investment in talking therapies after new research found there was no evidence that drugs such as Prozac benefitted people … 'Anti-depressants not of much use' Times of India, India – Feb 26, 2008 NEW DELHI: Prozac, the world's most commonly popped anti-depressant, taken by 40 million people worldwide, does not actually help improve your mood. … Call to fund counselling as study challenges anti-depressants Stuff.co.nz, New Zealand – Feb 26, 2008 … Kirsch, from the Department of Psychology at the University of Hull, looked at four commonly-used antidepressants – including fluoxetine (was Prozac, … A Safe Way to Beat the Blues: Bach Flower Remedies. Bach Flower … PR.com (press release), NY – Feb 28, 2008 Professor Irving Kirsch of the University of Hull stated, "Given these results, there seems little reason to prescribe anti-depressant medication to any but … Anti-depressants not much of a help Thaindian.com, Thailand – Feb 25, 2008 ”The difference in improvement between patients taking placebos and patients taking anti-depressants is not very great, BBC quoted Professor Irving Kirsch, … Metro Study says antidepressants are ineffective Metro, UK – Feb 25, 2008 They are taken by millions of people — but antidepressants such as Prozac and Seroxat are largely a waste of time, research suggests today. … DigitalJournal.com Study: Antidepressants don't work for most patients DigitalJournal.com, Canada – Feb 26, 2008 The study’s authors say depressed patients can improve their moods without chemical treatments such as Prozac or Effexor. Digital Journal — A breakthrough … PsychCentral.com Antidepressant Data Showed Not as Effective as Thought PsychCentral.com, MA – Feb 26, 2008 The British researchers looked at data from 1987 to 1999 examining the effectiveness of fluoxetine (Prozac), venlafaxine (Effexor), paroxetine (Paxil or … Study finds antidepressants no better than sugar pills Toronto Star,  Canada – Feb 27, 2008 Study: Four of the most commonly prescribed antidepressants, including Prozac, work no better than placebo sugar pills to help mild to moderate depression, … Psychiatrists Not Too Down on Prozac AllAfrica.com, Washington – Feb 27, 2008 The South African Society of Psychiatrists (Sasop) has reacted cautiously to a study showing that new-generation antidepressants such as Prozac do not work … Antidepressants Only Benefit Certain Depressed Patients, Study … Science Daily (press release) – Feb 26, 2008 ScienceDaily (Feb. 25, 2008) — A new study suggests that antidepressants only benefit some, very severely depressed patients. … Only Severely Depressed Benefit From Antidepressants: Study Washington Post, United States – Feb 26, 2008 By Steven Reinberg TUESDAY, Feb. 26 (HealthDay News) — While popular antidepressants such as Prozac are widely prescribed for people with varying degrees … Antidepressants no better than placebos: study CTV.ca, Canada – Feb 26, 2008 Antidepressant medications appear to help only severely depressed people, a new analysis has found. For most patients, the medications work no better than … Hidden data 'shows antidepressants hyped' ABC Science Online, Australia – Feb 26, 2008 Researchers used US freedom of information laws to learn details of unpublished drug trials, then combined these results with those already publicly … Antidepressant effectiveness doubted TVNZ, New Zealand – Feb 26, 2008 Antidepressant medications appear to help only very severely depressed people and work no better than placebos in many patients, British researchers have … Study Shows Antidepressants Not Effective WLNS, MI – Feb 28, 2008 A recent study says new-generation antidepressants have little effect on most patients. Researchers studied drugs like Prozac, Effexor and Seroxat. … Antidepressants: Are They Necessary? Ivanhoe, FL – Feb 27, 2008 (Ivanhoe Newswire) — Antidepressant medications like Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft have become almost as common as bread and butter — but are depression rates … Antidepressants No Better Than Placebo? WebMD – Feb 27, 2008 By Salynn Boyles Feb. 27, 2008 — A study suggesting the widely prescribed antidepressantsProzac, Paxil, and Effexor work no better than placebo for most … The Problem with Prozac Science Magazine (subscription) – Feb 27, 2008 By Martin Enserink Antidepressants of the ”Prozac generation” have been hailed as miracle drugs and they're a multibillion-dollar boon to the pharmaceutical … Prozac, Paxil, Effexor Don’t Do Much For Most Patients Newsinferno.com, NY – Feb 27, 2008 Prozac, Effexor, and Paxil may only be effective in the most severely depressed patients. In a recent study conducted by British researchers on the effect … Study claims antidepressants benefit only small portion of patients Medical Marketing and Media, NY – Feb 27, 2008 A new study of prescription antidepressants published this week suggests the drugs may be no more effective than placebo in treating the most common forms … Antidepressants Don’t Meet Their Goals in Depressed Patients eFluxMedia – Feb 27, 2008 By Anna Boyd A new study showed that popular antidepressants have little impact on most patients, if none. Researchers from the UK, US and Canada analyzed … Study Concludes That Antidepressants Are Ineffective Enews 2.0, UK – Feb 27, 2008 By John Reynold A new study shows that widely used antidepressants such as Prozac are only efficient for very severely depressed patients, Science Daily … Prozac nation under siege Metro.us, NY – Feb 26, 2008 by nadia croes / metro new york Millions of depressed people might have a reason to feel even worse: They could be taking a medication to treat their … Antidepressants not effective as thought United Press International – Feb 26, 2008 HULL, England, Feb. 26 (UPI) — Antidepressants, such as Prozac, are prescribed for clinical depression, but may not be as effective as believed, … Mood elevating drugs usually no good Mangalorean.com, India – Feb 26, 2008 New York, Feb 27 (IANS) The pill popping depressive might find that they do little to ease his condition, unless he is in a very severe state of depression. … Antidepressants no better than placebos Xinhua, China – Feb 26, 2008 BEIJING, Feb. 27 (Xinhuanet) — A new British study suggested that antidepressants may not be as effective as believed because they appear to help only …

Hope from a pill Economist, UK – Feb 28, 2008 ANTIDEPRESSANTS have long been the source of controversy. Amphetamines were widely used as an antidote to neurotic depression into the 1960s, … Are Antidepressants Faith-Based Treatment? AlterNet, CA – Feb 28, 2008 By Bruce E. Levine, AlterNet. Posted February 28, 2008. While millions of people swear by Prozac, Zoloft, and other antidepressants, do they work any better … The Drugs Don't Work – Or Do They? Nature.com (subscription), UK – Feb 27, 2008 One in six people suffer from some sort of clinical depression during their lifetimes. They will therefore have been distressed to learn about this paper in … National Briefing | Science and Health Studies on Depression and … New York Times, United States – Feb 26, 2008 By BLOOMBERG NEWS Depressed teenagers who are not helped by antidepressants like Celexa or Prozac may improve if they switch drugs and receive a certain … A quick fix would stop drug firms bending the truth Guardian Unlimited, UK – Feb 26, 2008 It's not just about Prozac. Our failure to properly regulate testing in the pharmaceutical industry has devastating costs Yesterday the journal PLoS … The drug industry's long and ignoble history of secrecy Independent, UK – Feb 26, 2008 By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor Discovering, testing and bringing a new drug to market can take more than a decade and cost as much as £500m. … Research concludes many not helped by antidepressants UConn Advance, CT – 5 hours ago by Cindy Weiss & Beth Krane – March 3, 2008 A study conducted by UConn psychology researchers and others has found that several commonly prescribed … Reporting On The Benefit Of Antidepressants , UK Medical News Today (press release), UK – 10 hours ago In the last few days there has been widespread media coverage questioning the effect of antidepressant drugs, following the results of a study published in … Antidepressants don't work? How depressing! Montreal Gazette, Canada – 13 hours ago At least as depressing as the news that antidepressants don't work on most patients is how much money Canadians have been throwing away on these apparently … Antidepressants Not as Effective in Treating Depression Ms. Magazine, CA – Feb 28, 2008 Two studies just released on antidepressants show that they are no more beneficial to patients suffering from depression than placebos except for patients … What the Media Misses About Antidepressants Huffington Post, NY – Feb 27, 2008 A new meta-analysis of research on modern antidepressants– some of it unpublished by the drug companies– suggests that the drugs have little advantage … Antidepressants not effective for all PRESS TV, Iran – Feb 27, 2008 Scientists have claimed that modern antidepressant medications are only effective in a small group of extremely depressed individuals. … Antidepressants Only Work For Severe Depression Cases Dog Flu Diet and Diseases, Canada – Feb 26, 2008 February 26 2008 – Drugs that are prescribed to treat people with depression only work in severe cases according to the results of a new study which is … New study says anti depression medicine doesn't work KARE, MN – Feb 26, 2008 A new study published today in the journal PLoS (Public Library of Science) Medicine, finds the very well-known, well-used drug, Prozac, and three other …